Showing posts with label giving. Show all posts
Showing posts with label giving. Show all posts

Sunday, January 23, 2022

Three good ideas on what a local church is supposed to do with the offerings it receives?

Need a few ideas perhaps on what to do with what is given at church, Pastor?  

Who ever brings up this topic in our day, when so many young people and others (who don’t yet know the Lord) could give a flip because they never have any intention of visiting a church unless it’s for a baby-baptism (which ain’t even biblical) or for a respectful funeral of a co-worker or friend? 

It’s still worth talking about, because some of those who are into other things right now.. will find out how totally wonderful it is to become a Christian who is a part of an excellent (forever family of believers) in a simple local church. I didn’t say one where people are simplistic or simpletons (those never thinking for themselves). Man, it happened to this wild, distracted, surf-rat who never had any intention at all to become a born again Christian or live holy (I mean me, and I still have a ways to go.. gobs to learn). 

Tithes are one thing that a church receives.. ya know, to keep the lights or a heater on etc. But where, what, how and to whom is a local Christian church supposed to help and give to. What are they as a body to do with the offerings received?

1.) A church has a responsibility to its believing members. 

Q: Who are the members in a family? Those who have been born into the family. Those who have been adopted into that family are members. Real Christians have all been born again into the forever Family of God (See John 3:3). At my former church in Costa Mesa, So Cal, if a Christian gave any money at all for it’s ministry there, that person by the State and the congregation was considered a full member of that local church. We are members because God the Father has chosen to have us and cause us to become a part of His family.. and we chose to let him put us in His family via repentance and faith in His Son Jesus.     

The early congregation.. yes, the very first church, I mean the one that begun in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost, took special pains to meet some basic and practical needs of their members there... 

The Bible says, “God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need” (Acts 4:33–35). 

Some money was freely brought to the born again humble leaders of the church there, who were responsible for the distribution of the money based on need. Food was also being distributed to the widows among them (See Acts 6:1). This wasn’t forced like in Communist Lands, the individuals in the church were not pressured or forced to give, it was done because they really loved one another in their forever Family. Their motives were pure and right. 

Sometimes in very rural areas of third world Lands that I’ve visited as a missionary, I saw other helpful things given at the church other than money.. like chicken eggs, bread, a pot-belly stove, a bag of cement or two for their half built building. In fact, I didn’t have that many German Marks but also gave some to Pastor Isshi there and he quickly went off to buy some more bags of cement.. instead of food like I had thought he would. He said that he had some farm animals around his Romanian home that would provide food for his family and some leaders there.   

The apostles in Jerusalem, in affirming Paul’s ministry among the Gentiles, asked that he should “continue to remember the poor” (Galatians 2:10). So, charitable work to benefit the poor within the church should become part of a church’s budget. Later, Paul gave some clear guidelines on who should receive aid from the local church and who should depend on another source for their sustenance (1 Timothy 5:3–16).

Various local churches in the first century also took up offerings to help other churches in need. Specifically, the church in Jerusalem was suffering from persecution and a famine, and the church in Antioch provided resources to help (Acts 11:29). Paul later took love gifts from Galatia (1 Corinthians 16:1), Corinth (1 Corinthians 16:3), and Macedonia and Achaia (Romans 15:25–26) to Jerusalem. He was accompanied by emissaries from Berea, Thessalonica, Derbe, and the province of Asia (Acts 20:4).

2.) A local church has a responsibility to its surrounding community. 

We are to be witnesses for Jesus both individually and as a church. Outreach is SO necessary even in our day now. “As we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers” (Galatians 6:10). This verse sets the priority—God’s family first—but we are also to seek ways to “do good” to everyone. Of course, this must involve evangelism (Acts 1:8). A healthy church should be sending out missionaries (see Acts 13:2–3) or at least supporting missionaries in various fields of service.

A church that loses its outward focus, as evidenced by where it spends its money, is showing signs of spiritual weakness. Church consultant and author Thom S. Rainer, in his book Autopsy of a Dead Church, states that one of the symptoms of a dying church is that the percentage of the budget for members’ needs keeps increasing, while the money earmarked for outreach decreases.

3.) A church (we the people in the church) have a responsibility to our Heavenly Father God. 

We want to please Him most. Our Lord knows His Church (His Bride He chose. Revelation 2:2, 9, 13, 19), and He commands that His Word be clearly preached (Boldly. Romans 10:14; 2 Timothy 4:2) and that “the mystery of Christ” be proclaimed (Colossians 4:3). Delivering the gospel is most important. Anything that furthers that goal should be given priority, and paying the pastor is part of that goal. “The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. For Scripture says, ‘Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,’ and ‘The worker deserves his wages’” (1 Timothy 5:17–18). Those who faithfully minister the Word of God should receive due compensation for their work (see also 1 Corinthians 9:11).

Wisdom regarding a church’s expenditures is very necessary (perhaps more so in our day because there are more lost people around us than ever before, that we need to minister to and win). We all should be witnessing out in the world and praying for our leaders that God’s wisdom (See James 1:5) will help them know exactly what to do with what is God’s. 

There is nothing at all sinful about having a fine building to worship in, or a building to fellowship and play some vigorous basketball in today, or to have nicely kept well landscaped grounds especially if the surrounding area has sinners who well keep up their grounds nicely. (Man, why make it easy, church-folk, for your neighbors you want in your church.. to dislike you, or to look down on the church for simply being lazy when God has never been that way?).

Church people (religious or decent) do wonder at times if the money given at church would be better spent supporting another missionary or aiding the poorer churches around the world. It can be a good question, and yet sometimes prideful people in churches can become troublemakers that cause problems for their decent pastors with nice sounding (selfless sounding) arguments too, when they personally wouldn’t give a penny to help with missions or other poor churches. Sure there have been some abuses with the funds by pastors and leaders in the past and there are some safe-guards to put in place against these. I say to you, choose a smart Pastor who wisely follows the Lord with some good transparent accountability there, and then trust him.. help him.. as He follows the Lord (short of sinning as the Bible defines sinning). Duh!   

There is a proper time, place, and way to humbly bring up where the church money is being spent. Clear communication (I don’t mean some weird mean whisper campaign behind the backs of the leaders) is key in any family. Minister means servant and a pastor is there to serve the people and those around the church.. and every Christian is to minister as well.. as servants of Christ. Double-duh!  

The goal of the church should be to worship and glorify the Lord. And to do the work of God in the dark world around them.. even around the world in other Lands as well. Our vision and mission is global. Yes, prayerfully in obedience to the direction of the Holy Spirit for that specific local church body, everything should be done to the glory of God as the Spirit directs (1 Corinthians 10:31). Choose a spiritual, rather than carnal or worldly or religious pastor who lives the life and teaches the Word with out spiritual compromise. Q: Do you know Jesus in a personal way (the most important decision a person will make), and go to a healthy church yet? You can today

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020

What's really up with cheerful giving, yes, with Christian generosity instead of that with religious grudging obligation?

We should always be careful to give to God the glory that is due to him.. and to give him the praise and the thanksgiving too! Sure give sincere thanks for the good work that he does in our lives. He doesn't quit early, but finishes the good work. That's the kind of person he is. Remember that time at Calvary when Jesus said.. It is finished. All that was a free gift for you and me.

I would rather have the right attitude and a biblical understanding in this giving stuff, and in relationship to other people as well. How about you? Been musing on what the Bible says on this...

But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work. As it is written: "He has dispersed abroad, He has given to the poor; His righteousness endures forever." ~ Paul (2 Cor. 9:9)

But where reap? Where or will we? Do we reap here or later on in heaven? Either. God promises to meet our needs, not our greeds and he knows where it's best for you to reap. It's a matter of trust. 

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Life here is to be about giving and freely receiving. It's to be about right relationships upwards and outwards (yes, true righteousness -- right living with God and people) and shouldn't be about possessions, greed or covetousness which can destroy.

The Father is concerned about you. He wants you not your money. He knows all the statistics about you and your needs. He is concerned about even the insignificant things about you because he SO loves you! He knows life will work as you allow Jesus to be Lord of all areas. God also loves his Church and he is the one who gives seed to the sower. It's for a purpose of life.

Sowing and reaping of course will happen these days and will happen in the future as well. Yes, you might be rewarded for obedience and reap up in the intermediate heaven on here after heaven comes down and becomes one with earth in the Millenium, believer.

Contrary to what so many false teachers teach (even within some so called Christian churches) you can’t really give your way into prosperity in this world for this life, but you can obey God when he leads you to give in this life for the next life. That could happen.

You can’t really use your credit card to give.. on into wealth for you here.. as many false teachers also teach. That’s moronic -- think about those high interest rates (I'm not saying don't ever give using your credit card, but paying it off each month is smart).

Do you ever ask.. God, why should I give to the point of lacking here (like say if you've planned ahead poorly instead of wisely), in order to just be rewarded up in heaven?

God is a giver. He gives life and so many blessings to us. Can't even count em all. He doesn't want you to lack, but does want us all to become cheerful givers (it doesn't have to be money only). He wants us to "be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation" (2 Cor. 9:5). We visit and listen to the needs of the people wherever we go, or to the needs of a church. We honestly pray for them, and ask God to use us to meet needs. We tell him what we need to and he meets our needs.

You've heard it said.. "The squeaky wheel gets the oil." Well, we look to and squeak to the Lord, not to man and he pours in the oil. It's a Christ-centered, and others-oriented kind of cheerful lifestyle!


I (personally am not supported by churches or by Christians), but really like God's idea of giving tithes and offerings because I love to see what he is doing in and through healthy local churches that are led by sound godly men (good examples) who walk after the Spirit (biblically) instead of after the world system or selfishly (fleshly). How else would sound Bible teaching Christian churches be able to keep their doors open, edify people, develop or wisely build?

May I ask.. Are you a cheerful giver (and I mean sometimes involving money). The Bible teaches us that God "is able (speaking of his power) to make all grace abound to you" (that's regarding the direction and that you’d abound as well.. for what?). For every good work (that’s the practical ministry of it).

May I ask you.. Do you have a low grade anger inside? Have you felt that when preachers are talking about giving? Got some church-hurt from the hypocrisy and false teachings? Have you suffered some spiritual abuse before? Many people have. I say get alone with Jesus who understands. Just pour out your heart to him so he can heal you of anger inside.

Have you heard some so called preachers say.. “You are to dig deep and sow a seed, and then God will give it back to you with more money?" (meaning you give to them, and then you get back more in this life). I've heard that many times and that's false -- that’s even manipulative. It greaves God who doesn't like the pressure on his people, like from lies (otherwise they’d be mortgaging their own houses to give more more now). Why do some preachers give such an overemphasis on the area of giving money when God in the Bible has so many important doctrines that they don't give an emphasis on? Like the Apostle Paul did, why don't they give you all the counsels of God teaching through the whole Bible? Would you pray something like...

God, thank you for giving your Son, Jesus. Thanks for the protection, the grace, the peace, the provision, and joy in Christ. Father, in love what would you have me do with what you have given to us? It's all yours and I want to please you -- yes, to be a faithful steward of your stuff. Please give wisdom, direction and a right motivation in this. What do you want me involved in to see change here, and not involved with for changing? Amen.

“In the Old Testament giving was required by God, but today it is not." ~ Erwin Lutzer

We are to pray and be cheerful in whatever giving we do. Yes, as a man or woman purposes in his or her heart to give, and God is indeed able to make all grace abound to us for every good work.

We Christians are free to obey the Lord in all the areas of life like with our finances -- with our investing of bucks, with our giving (even with money), with our spending, and our saving. Jesus set us totally free.

I'm even free to smoke and drink as much as I want to -- I just don't want to anymore.

By the power of the word the Holy Spirit within changes us..from the inside out. We now love what we used to loathe (going to church to worship, study the word and pray) and we loathe what we used to love (sins that destroy people). We are free to travel on purpose sharing the Good News of freedom. We are free to know the Lord well, and to make him well-known ..for all eternity! Come to..or come back to Jesus now! You don't need to clean yourself up to come to him. Ask him to forgive you and let him clean up your life. That's what the Fisher of men and women does -- catches and cleans us in that order.

So many around us are still lost and it often costs money to get the Gospel out far and wide.

So many Christians still need to biblically be discipled unto spiritual maturity in Jesus. Oftentimes believer can also be used in this work for free. Yet pastors who do this work to bless believers still need to pay the bills as well. That's being a good witness to the community.

I have found that if you give so that people can be saved (only Jesus does that), can be well-fed and developed for growth in the Lord.. yes, I mean if you invest in the lives of people guess what.. happy well-feed sheep become healthy and they will reproduce themselves.

God loves a cheerful giver with this in mind -- yes, he loves all givers of what's appropriate and good for people. It's cuz he loves sinners too and and is not willing that any perish but that all to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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Think about it. No pressure, but selfishness has never helped anyone. God really wants your heart more, but let Jesus be Lord of your pocketbook and other areas of life as well. He delights to bless.

Where God guides, God provides. Where he leads his kids, he feeds em, Where his finger points you believer, his hand of provision opens. Where he directs you to give ..whatever good (as well as with his Gospel), he blesses people. Read more on this...
How is faith promise giving different from tithing and or regular giving?
For many people why does giving money seem to be such a big deal in the Christian church?
To what extent are Christians to save money? Is it possible to be saving too much money?
Why is it sometimes unwise to lend money?
What does the Bible say about gambling? Is it always wrong to gamble, play the lottery / lotto?
Is money the problem, or is it only the love of money?
Who should control the money in a marriage?
Is that right or wrong? To what extent should a church seek to raise funds to support its ministries?
How can we be discerning in regards to those who don't have much and in giving to them?
Does the Bible instruct Christians to give alms offerings?
Is it biblical to sow a seed of faith unto the Lord and expect a miracle in this life here?
What are the keys to successful money / finance management?
Is it ever right to accept a bribe?
URL: https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-bribery.html
How should I decide how much to tithe? How much should Christians give in their financial offerings?
Is a raffle something a church can consider as part of an effort to raise money?
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How should a Christian respond to beggars and panhandling? There are so many of them. Is it better to give a beggar money.. or buy a beggar food and lovingly share the  Gospel with them?
What is more important, to get out of debt, or to continue on in tithing?
Why does televangelism tend to lend itself to televangelists fleecing their flocks of money? Minister means servant right. Aren't they like good shepherds to feed the flock of God instead of fleece the flock? Yes.  
Why did Martin Luther write the ninety five theses?
Is financial stability a requirement for marriage?
Should Christians put money into an IRA and/or 401k?
How can I trust God when I've been giving and then the economy goes bad, or really bad?
What principles should guide my decision making in regards to whom I give?
What does the widow’s mite teach us about sacrificial giving?
Should a Christian tithe? Does a Christian always have to give 10% to the church?
Should Christians give away all they possess except for basic necessities? Does Jesus really want us to live without material possessions?
How do they together know regarding tithing, like on how much to give to God at church? Is a wife to submit to her husband in the area of tithing? What does God say on this? 
What does charity mean in the King James Version of the Bible?
How is Christian socialism different from other forms of socialism? Is Christian socialism biblical?
How much should a church reveal about how it manages its finances?
Why is it a sin to be covetous? Can it destroy?
Why is it wrong to covet? Thou shalt not covet!
37. Do others around you have more stuff or money than you have? What is godly jealousy?
Is there such a thing as godly jealousy? How is godly jealousy different from selfish sinful jealousy?
What even is "mortification of sin and of our inner fleshly nature"? Is mortification really a biblical concept? (I don't mean that any of us are to kill our person made of flesh, or other babies and people).
Why did Jesus often speak using parables instead of teaching more clearly?
What does the Bible say about being envious? Is envy always sinful?
Is it God’s will for all Christians to be financially prosperous?
Do you ever gamble with the money you are to be a wise steward with? Should a Christian play lottery tickets, lotto, Powerball, Mega Millions, etc.?
Why is being a Christian so challenging sometimes?
Could this involve money, stuff, other people or power etc.? Other than bowing down to idols, what are some other forms of idolatry?