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Friday, February 27, 2026

How back in the day, did King David pray about his cruel enemies?

It's Good To Be Praying For Those Who Disrespectfully Mock, Unjustly Punish, Hurt, Or Wound Us Believers.

Yes, this can happen.. by God's grace and kind anointing in you, believer. 

Q: Have they even used others as a weapon against you? Have they callously brought you before courts without you having done anything wrong? Not yet? They often do that in the UK and other Western Lands.

How did King David pray for his wicked, heartless enemies?

Honestly. 

I sincerely pray in Jesus name that God would humble or hurt those who have and continue to deeply hurt my wife, Liney, and I.. yes, before they get older and pass. 

....and that if He can save them, minus hurting them as they kept doing to her -- that would be much better! I pray His will be done in their lives. I also pray God will protect Liney from them ..enem using people to hurt her. It's wrong! We don't want them to split Hell wide open. Life here is short, and God is just.

He can do that indeed. Done it before. Yes, that He'd hurt them as much as they have hurt us repeatedly, or simply allow tough circumstances into their lives to get through and teach, or even do back to them whatever it takes ..until they repent, believe, and are saved -- born again spiritually. As real Christians are!

We won't tell God how to do His thing specifically at all (hey, we all deserve the cross as sinners, but that doesn't mean we must remain silent when wrong-stupidity keeps intentionally happening at our marriage). We don't tell God what to do exactly (but we make our requests known), or tell Him when to answer our prayers in what way ...as if He needed us to instruct or guide, or advise Him. He does not need us at all. He needs nothing, never has needed anything. 

We totally need Him and fo choose to forgive these religious and irreligious proud, recalcitrant, hard-hearted know-it-all sinners for hurting us repeatedly and deeply. And because we will continue to show love to them by faith and forgive them as Christ has forgiven us (even though we are not perfect and sometimes feel like punching them each in the nose) we do want them to get saved, though we don't always feel like loving them as Christ has. 

We do not wish hell or God's wrath and judgment upon our worst enemies so praying that they get saved is the best thing we can do for them. My wife Liney and I Only witness verbally to those who are open to hear the gospel. We don't force it ir talk of Jesus Christ upon anyone, but we do pray that they would become open to the truth of salvation by any means that God wisely sees appropriate and fitting.

The gospel does not merely command us to endure our enemies—it calls us to intercede for them. When believers pray for those who injure them, they stand in the bright shadow of the cross, where mercy triumphed over wrath. We may ache, tremble, and even wrestle with honest emotion, yet grace teaches our hearts to say, “Father, save them,” not “Father, destroy them.” This is not weakness; it is Christlike strength under the rule of sovereign love.

Jesus set the pattern: “Father, forgive them” (Luke 23:34). That prayer did not deny injustice; it entrusted justice to God while pleading for mercy. Scripture repeatedly shows that the most mature faith does not deny pain—it transforms pain into prayer. We forgive not because wounds are small, but because the Savior’s mercy is great (Eph. 4:32).

A wise prayer does not dictate God’s methods but surrenders to His wisdom: “Lord, do whatever it takes—yet do it with saving grace.” Such a prayer balances holiness and compassion. It echoes Paul’s heart cry: “My heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved” (Rom. 10:1). We long not for their ruin, but for their rebirth.

Barna research consistently observes that many professing Christians admit loving enemies is among Christ’s hardest commands to live out. That honesty proves the command is supernatural; only the Spirit can teach wounded saints to bless those who curse them (Luke 6:28). Forgiveness, then, becomes a daily act of faith, not a fleeting feeling.

Charles Spurgeon wisely said, “To be angry with a man for whom you pray is impossible.” Likewise, Corrie ten Boom testified that forgiveness is “an act of the will, and the will can function regardless of the temperature of the heart.” Hymn writers captured this paradox: “Love so amazing, so divine, demands my soul, my life, my all.” When Christ’s love fills the heart, revenge loses its voice.

Thus, we forgive sincerely, love intentionally, and pray persistently—while honestly confessing our struggles. We do not wish hell upon our enemies; we plead for heaven to invade their souls. We witness gently when they are receptive, and we intercede fervently when they are not, trusting God to open hearts in His perfect timing (Acts 16:14).

In this way, forgiveness becomes evangelism clothed in prayer.

Biblical Believers Who Prayed for and then did Good towards Their Enemies

Abraham – Prayed for Abimelech who had wronged him (Gen. 20:17–18).

Joseph – Forgave brothers who sold him into slavery; spoke kindly and preserved their lives (Gen. 50:20–21).

Moses – Interceded for rebellious Israel who repeatedly opposed him (Exod. 32:11–14; Num. 14:13–19).

Samuel – Promised, “Far be it from me that I should sin… by ceasing to pray for you” despite their rejection (1 Sam. 12:23).

David – Spared and mourned for Saul who hunted him (1 Sam. 24; 26; 2 Sam. 1:17–27; Ps. 35:13–14).

Elisha – Fed captured Aramean enemies instead of killing them (2 Kings 6:21–23).

Job – Prayed for friends who falsely accused him; God restored him (Job 42:10).

Jeremiah – Wept and interceded for a people who persecuted him (Jer. 9:1; 15:15–21).

Daniel – Prayed for the very nation that conquered his people (Dan. 9:3–19).

Jesus Christ – Prayed for His executioners and taught love for enemies (Luke 23:34; Matt. 5:44).

Stephen – Dying, he cried, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them” (Acts 7:60).

Paul the Apostle – Prayed for hostile Israel and blessed persecutors (Rom. 10:1; 12:14).

The early church collectively prayed for persecutors and responded with gospel witness (Acts 4:23–31).

Poignant Huh & And  Wise Application

Imagine a bruised believer kneeling at night, tears still warm, whispering, “Lord, save them.” Heaven leans close to such prayers. They sound like Jesus.

To pray this way is not to excuse evil but to entrust justice to God while pleading for redemption. It is the triumph of grace over instinct. The cross proves that the deepest wounds can become the strongest intercessions.

Forgive daily, even when feelings lag behind obedience (Col. 3:13).

Pray specifically for the salvation of those who hurt you (Matt. 5:44).

Speak the gospel only when hearts are open, but pray constantly that God opens them (Col. 4:3–6).

Remember: God may use conviction, discipline, or providence—not to destroy them, but to draw them to repentance (Rom. 2:4; Heb. 12:6).

In sum: The holiest revenge is redemption. The most Christlike response to deep wounds is this: “Lord, save them—whatever it takes, in Your wisdom and mercy.”

How King David Prayed And Acted Toward His Cruel Enemies

David’s life forms a living theology of enemy-love under fire. He was hunted, slandered, betrayed, and nearly murdered—yet he refused personal vengeance. Instead, he prayed intensely, honestly, and reverently, placing justice into God’s hands. His prayers ranged from tears to imprecations, yet always bowed to divine righteousness, not personal revenge.

He entrusted vengeance to God, not himself.

“The LORD judge between me and thee” (1 Sam. 24:12). David refused to harm Saul even when he had the chance. His restraint was an act of faith that God’s justice is wiser than human retaliation (Rom. 12:19).

He lamented honestly without pretending righteousness meant painless calm.
The Psalms reveal raw cries: “How long, O LORD?” (Ps. 13:1). David shows believers that holy prayer can include grief, confusion, and anguish—without abandoning trust.

He indeed prayed imprecatory psalms that appealed to God’s justice, not from personal hatred.

Psalms 35, 69, and 109 call upon God to confront wickedness. These are not tantrums but covenantal pleas: “Contend, O LORD, with those who contend with me” (Ps. 35:1). David asks God to defend righteousness and restrain evil so that truth may prevail.

He maintained compassion even while praying for justice.

David wrote, “When they were sick, my clothing was sackcloth… I humbled my soul with fasting” (Ps. 35:13). He interceded even for those who repaid him evil.

He blessed instead of retaliating.

He mourned Saul’s death rather than celebrating it (2 Sam. 1:17–27). Grace governed his response more than personal injury.

He sought self-examination alongside petitions for justice.

“Search me, O God, and know my heart” (Ps. 139:23–24). David knew that righteous prayers require a cleansed conscience.

He rested in God’s sovereignty and timing.

David repeatedly waited on the Lord (Ps. 27:14), trusting that God would vindicate him without sinful shortcuts.

Help Me Understand Imprecatory Psalms Better 

Imprecatory psalms are not expressions of petty revenge but prophetic appeals for God to uphold justice and restrain evil. They arise from zeal for God’s holiness and concern for the oppressed. In evangelical theology, they teach believers to:

Hate evil without hating souls (Ps. 97:10).

Desire repentance first, judgment only if wickedness persists (Ezek. 18:23).

Surrender wrath to God, who judges perfectly (Gen. 18:25).

Thus, the imprecations are prayers that say, “Lord, act righteously—save if they repent, judge if they refuse.”

How Believers Today Should Pray and Act Toward Enemies (Following David’s Pattern)
Commit justice to God alone.

Pray: “Lord, judge righteously and defend what is true” (Ps. 7:8–9).
Speak truthfully to God about the hurt.

Pour out the wound without disguising pain (Ps. 62:8).

Pray first for their repentance and salvation.

Align with God’s heart that none should perish (2 Pet. 3:9).

Ask God to restrain their evil actions to protect those you love.

Pray that He limits harm and exposes wrongdoing (Ps. 140:4).

Intercede with compassion, not malice.

Remember David fasting for enemies who later betrayed him (Ps. 35:13).

Refuse personal revenge in speech or action.

Leave room for God’s wrath and remain gentle (Rom. 12:17–21).

Examine your own heart before God.

Invite divine searching so bitterness does not take root (Ps. 139:23).

Wait patiently for God’s vindication.

Trust His timing rather than forcing resolution (Ps. 37:7).

Do practical good where possible.

Feed, help, or show kindness if opportunity arises (Prov. 25:21–22).

Praise God in advance for righteous outcomes.

Worship shifts the heart from revenge to reverence (Ps. 18:46–49).

King David clearly teaches us all to come to God daily and live right with Him, leading us. He teaches that the holiest response to cruel enemies is not denial of pain nor delight in judgment, but surrendered prayer: justice entrusted to God, mercy desired for sinners, and personal vengeance forever laid down at the feet of the King.

Thursday, February 26, 2026

How Will Hardhearted Stuborn Recalcitrant Sinners Even Stand Face To Face With An Angry God?

How will those maintaining an obstinately uncooperative attitude toward direct Authority even approach God's bench?  

Those types of questions really startle modern ears today, yet Scripture does not blush to declare that the holy God who is perfect in love is also perfect in justice. Divine wrath is not His loss of control, but the settled, righteous opposition of a pure God against all that destroys His creation. “Our God is a consuming fire” (Hebrews 12:29), and yet that same fire refines His people and redeems all who flee to Christ.

"God is a just judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day." Ps. 7:11

"Their foot shall slide in due time" Deut 32:35

It's sn indignation that God feels every single day, but it's not towards any teal Christian. There is nothing that keeps wicked men, at any one moment, out (of that a place called) hell, but the mere pleasure of God.

"The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider or some loathsome insect over a fire, abhors your sin, and is dreadfully provoked.

The strong bow of God's wrath is bent back, and His arrow has been made ready on the string, and justice bends the arrow toward your heart, and strains the bow, and nothing but the mere pleasure of God... keeps the arrow even one moment from being made drunk with your blood.

Lost sinners are walking on slippery, temporarily send ice If you will, and they're destined to fall by their own weight.

All human efforts, or morality, and personal caution cannot stop one human from falling into hell.

Get yourself quickly within the reach of God's mercy by faith.

I, as a saved sinner, urge all sinners to flee from wrath while they can, to race from the " Judgment to come" and embrace Christ, He has "thrown the door of mercy wide open". 

These truths together present a balanced view of God who does love his children. Sometimes we need to hear about divine wrath rather than unconditional love. Man never gets into God's holy Heaven without meeting his conditions (not earning) but -- dimple repentance and faith in Jesus. This is basic information not fear-based manipulation misrepresenting the merciful nature of God.

The Bible never presents God as irritable or vindictive; rather, He is morally resolute. His anger is not the mood of a tyrant but the measured response of holiness to sin’s rebellion. “The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness” (Romans 1:18). This is not cruelty; it is moral reality. If God did not hate evil, He would not truly love righteousness. As one lesser-known Puritan wisely wrote, “God’s wrath is His love refusing to share eternity with sin.”

The Peril of the Unrepentant

Humanity often imagines itself safer than it truly is. We schedule our lives, secure our homes, and insure our possessions, yet neglect the condition of our souls. Scripture soberly reminds us: “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). The danger is not merely future; it is present. The unrepentant stand daily by sheer mercy alone. Every breath is borrowed grace.

How can I properly illustrate the peril with vivid imagery, yet the Bible itself uses equally arresting language: sinners are “treasuring up wrath” (Romans 2:5), storing judgment the way misers hoard gold. Sin is never static; it accumulates. Each rejection of truth thickens the callus of the heart.

Barna research repeatedly shows that while a majority of Americans claim belief in God, far fewer believe in divine judgment or hell. This theological imbalance creates a fragile faith—one that wants a Savior but resists a Judge. Yet the gospel loses its brilliance if we dim the darkness it rescues us from.

The Justice and Patience of God

God’s wrath does not erupt impulsively; it is restrained by astonishing patience. “The Lord is slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love” (Psalm 103:8). Every sunrise is a sermon on divine longsuffering. Every unanswered rebellion is evidence of mercy still extended.

But patience is not permission. The delay of judgment is not the denial of judgment. As the apostle Peter explains, “The Lord is not slow… but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish” (2 Peter 3:9). God’s heart is evangelistic even in His warnings. Judgment is His strange work; salvation is His delight.

A simple illustration clarifies this: imagine a dam holding back a vast reservoir. The structure is firm, not weak. The water presses daily, yet the wall holds—until the appointed moment. So it is with divine restraint. The weight of accumulated sin presses continually, but God, in mercy, holds back judgment so sinners might repent.

The Only Safe Refuge

The gospel does not deny God’s wrath; it answers it. At Calvary, justice and mercy kissed. Christ bore the fury we deserved so that believers might receive the favor He earned. “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us” (Galatians 3:13). The cross is not merely an example of love; it is the substitutionary satisfaction of justice.

The famous hymn captures it succinctly:
“On Christ the solid Rock I stand,
All other ground is sinking sand.”

Without Christ, humanity stands exposed before holy justice. In Christ, the believer stands clothed in righteousness. The same God who judges sin also provides the Lamb who removes it (John 1:29). Divine wrath is real, but divine grace is greater.

A Compassionate Warning for Our Age

Modern culture prefers therapeutic religion over transformative truth. Yet love that refuses to warn is not love at all. A physician who withholds a diagnosis for fear of distress commits malpractice; likewise, a preacher who never speaks of judgment deprives souls of urgency.

Billy Graham once observed, “God’s love does not cancel His holiness; it satisfies it.” This balance is the heartbeat of biblical evangelism. We do not thunder about wrath to terrify but to clarify; not to condemn but to compel flight to Christ. The aim is always rescue.

Statistics consistently show that churches emphasizing both grace and holiness produce deeper discipleship than those emphasizing comfort alone. Why? Because reverence fuels repentance, and repentance opens the door to joy. “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” (Proverbs 9:10).

The Gentle Urgency of the Gospel

The message, then, is not despair but decision. Every person lives suspended between justice deserved and mercy offered. The question is not whether God is angry with sin; the question is whether we will run to the Savior who absorbed that anger on our behalf.

Consider a simple story: a child wanders onto a busy road, unaware of danger. A loving parent shouts urgently, not softly. The urgency does not contradict love; it proves it. So the gospel cries out—not in cruelty, but in compassion—“Be reconciled to God” (2 Corinthians 5:20).

Wise Application for Today

  1. Take sin seriously, because God does.

  2. Marvel at grace, because judgment was diverted at the cross.

  3. Live urgently, because eternity is not theoretical.

  4. Share the gospel lovingly, because warning is an act of mercy.

The final truth is both sobering and sweet: those who reject Christ remain under wrath (John 3:36), but those who trust Him are forever secure. The hand that could justly judge becomes, through the gospel, the hand that gently saves.

In the end, the doctrine of divine wrath is not meant to drive us from God but to drive us to Him. Justice makes the cross necessary; love makes it possible. And there, beneath the shadow of Calvary, the trembling sinner discovers the safest place in the universe: held not merely in the hands of an angry God, but in the pierced hands of a gracious Savior.

“Sinners in the Hands of a very Holy God” -- Need Gospel-Clarification? Meditate Upon Him, His Love and on Divine Wrath Too.

The historic sermon Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God thundered a terrifying truth: apart from Christ, humanity stands over the pit of judgment, upheld only by the mercy of God. Yet Scripture demands that we refine that truth carefully, lest we distort the character of the One whose wrath burns against sin but whose heart overflows with redeeming love. What follows is a distilled, biblically faithful synthesis—clear, pastoral, urgent, and evangelical—drawing on the theological insights reflected in the cited resources while framing them through the full counsel of Scripture.


1. God’s Anger: Holy, Righteous, and Never Petty

God is not moody, impulsive, or temperamental. His anger is not the fragile rage of wounded pride but the blazing purity of perfect holiness confronting moral evil. Divine wrath is not emotional instability; it is moral clarity.

As Scripture declares, God’s anger flows from His righteousness and justice, never from insecurity or wounded ego. He is angry “at evil,” not threatened by sinners.

Thus, divine wrath is not cruelty—it is the moral necessity of a holy universe governed by a righteous King. A God who never burns against evil would be a God indifferent to abuse, injustice, and rebellion. The cross itself proves this: God did not ignore sin; He judged it in Christ.

“It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God” (Hebrews 10:31).

Yet that dread is not the final word. The cross shows that the very hands that judge are the same hands that were pierced to save.


2. The Misconception: “God Is Mad at Me”

Many believers, haunted by guilt or hardship, assume that painful circumstances signal divine anger. But Scripture gently corrects this fear. We often judge God’s disposition by our comfort level—if life hurts, we assume heaven is hostile.

This is spiritual misinterpretation. Trials do not necessarily mean wrath; they may signify loving discipline, refinement, or the fallen world’s consequences. A broken relationship, for example, may simply be the natural fruit of sinful choices rather than a thunderbolt of divine fury.

The Bible therefore distinguishes between:

  • Wrath for the unrepentant (John 3:36)

  • Discipline for the redeemed (Hebrews 12:6–11)

Wrath condemns; discipline corrects. Wrath is judicial; discipline is paternal.

Charles Spurgeon once said,

“God is too good to be unkind, and too wise to be mistaken.”

So when the believer suffers, the question is not “Is God mad at me?” but “What is my Father shaping in me?”


3. Divine Wrath and Divine Mercy Meet at the Cross

The gospel resolves the tension: God’s wrath against sin was not canceled—it was satisfied. Christ drank the cup of judgment so that believers might drink the cup of mercy.

Scripture assures us: for those in Christ, there is no condemnation (Romans 8:1). God’s wrath toward their sin has already been poured out upon their Substitute.

This means the Christian never again stands as a condemned criminal, but always as a disciplined child. God is not angrily waiting to strike; He is lovingly committed to sanctify.

John Newton captured this paradox:

“His love in time past forbids me to think
He’ll leave me at last in trouble to sink.”


4. Why People Still Feel God Is Angry

Even sincere Christians often feel God’s displeasure for three main reasons:

a) Sin that dulls assurance

Guilt whispers, “God must be furious.” Yet Scripture calls not for despair but for repentance and cleansing (1 John 1:9).

b) A distorted theology of God

Some were taught only wrath and never grace, shaping an image of God as perpetually disappointed. Such imbalance contradicts the biblical portrait of a God “slow to anger and abounding in love.”

c) Pride that resists surrender

Sometimes the fear “God hates me” is really the protest, “God won’t approve my sin.” Pride reframes divine holiness as divine hostility. Yet God refuses to endorse sin precisely because He loves the sinner.

As A.W. Tozer warned,

“What comes into our minds when we think about God is the most important thing about us.”


5. The Terror of Judgment—and the Tenderness of Grace

Here's a warning for all to take heed to -- apart from Christ, humanity truly does hang over eternal judgment. The wrath of God against unrepentant sin is real, just, and inevitable.

Yet Scripture insists that judgment is God’s “strange work” (Isaiah 28:21), while mercy is His delight (Micah 7:18). Even in righteous anger, God repeatedly sends prophets, warnings, and calls to repentance.

The cross therefore, reveals the deepest truth:
God hates sin with infinite intensity, and loves sinners with infinite sacrifice.

Or as the hymn says,

“Amazing love! How can it be
That Thou, my God, shouldst die for me?”


6. A Pastoral Clarification: When Believers Sin

The Christian life still involves failure, yet failure does not reawaken condemnation. Sin brings consequences in this fallen world, but not divine rejection for those united to Christ.

Thus, the believer should respond not with terror but with repentance and renewed trust. Discipline is not proof of wrath but proof of sonship.

As J.C. Ryle wrote,

“The Christian is a man who feels sin, confesses sin, hates sin, and flees to Christ.”


7. The Grand Synthesis: Wrath, Love, and Urgent Grace

To hold only wrath is to produce despair.
To hold only love is to produce presumption.
The gospel holds both: holy wrath satisfied by holy love.

God is not perpetually angry with those who are in Christ. Yet He is profoundly opposed to the sin that destroys them. He is not a tyrant waiting to crush, but a Father determined to conform His children to His Son.

Barna research consistently shows that many modern Christians view God primarily as either indulgent or distant; few grasp the biblical balance of justice and mercy. This imbalance explains why believers oscillate between presumption and fear. The cure is a fuller vision of God’s character—holy, just, patient, and redemptively loving.


8. Standing Safely in Christ

Here is the distilled truth:
The unrepentant sinner truly hangs over judgment.
The repentant believer stands securely in grace.

Therefore, the question is not merely, “Is God angry?” but “Am I in Christ?” For outside of Christ, wrath remains; inside of Christ, peace reigns forever.

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1).

So flee not from God in terror, but to God in repentance. The same hand that once held you over judgment now holds you fast in mercy—if you are in His Son.

Or in the words of a simple gospel hymn:

“Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in Thee.”

Does God seem way more patient that you actually are with lost people? Well, He really is that way.

What's Up With The Spiritual Condition Of Those Who Reject Christ, His People, and His Church? 

Sup with their dark evil opposition to God's holy light?

A sober Christian theology must hold two truths together without compromise: God is love, and God is holy. The cross of Christ reveals both perfectly. Because of the cross, there is mercy offered freely; because of God’s holiness, there remains real wrath toward persistent unbelief. Scripture never softens this tension. It deepens it.

Qs: Remember how patient God was in Egypt? Remember all the plagues on hard-hearted Pharaoh in Egypt to teach him and give him a chance to repent? Remember that last one that was very tough, but it brought the result needed - freedom for those believers in God who had long been abused. God hasn't changed any -- He's still the same. 

I. What Unbelieving Sinners Actually Reject

From a biblical standpoint, those who reject Christ are not merely declining a religious option; they are rejecting a constellation of divine realities:

  1. The Person of Christ Himself

    • John 3:18 — “He who does not believe is condemned already.”

    • John 5:40 — “You refuse to come to Me that you may have life.”

  2. The Authority of God’s Word

    • 1 Thessalonians 4:8 — Rejecting this instruction is rejecting God.

    • Luke 10:16 — “The one who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.”

  3. The Witness of the Holy Spirit

    • John 16:8–9 — The Spirit convicts of sin and unbelief.

    • Acts 7:51 — “You always resist the Holy Spirit.”

  4. The Light of Truth

    • John 3:19–20 — Men loved darkness rather than light.

    • 2 Thessalonians 2:10 — They refused to love the truth and be saved.

  5. The People of God (Christians)

    • John 15:18–19 — The world hates believers because it first hated Christ.

    • 1 John 3:13 — “Do not be surprised… that the world hates you.”

  6. The Fellowship and Discipline of the Church

    • Hebrews 10:24–29 — Rejecting the gathered church insults the Spirit of grace.

    • Matthew 18:17 — Refusal to listen to the church marks spiritual hardness.

  7. The Call to Repentance and Holiness

    • Luke 13:3 — “Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

    • Romans 2:4–5 — Hardness stores up wrath.


II. What They Experience in This Life (Biblically)

Scripture does not merely warn of future judgment; it describes present consequences that unfold even before the final day.

1. Judicial Hardening of the Heart

  • Romans 1:24, 26, 28 — “God gave them over…”

  • John 12:37–40 — Persistent unbelief leads to spiritual blindness.

Meaning: God does not create unbelief, but He may withdraw restraining grace, allowing sinners to experience the full trajectory of their rebellion.

2. Moral and Intellectual Darkness

  • Ephesians 4:17–19 — Darkened in understanding, alienated from the life of God.

  • 1 Corinthians 2:14 — The natural person cannot accept spiritual truth.

3. Inner Restlessness and Lack of Peace

  • Isaiah 57:20–21 — “The wicked are like the tossing sea… there is no peace.”

  • Proverbs 4:16–19 — Darkness marks the path of the wicked.

4. Enslavement to Sin

  • John 8:34 — “Everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.”

  • 2 Peter 2:19 — “By what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.”

5. Divine Discipline and Temporal Judgments

  • Psalm 7:11 — “God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day.”

  • Acts 12:23 — Herod struck down for rejecting God’s glory.

  • 1 Corinthians 11:30 — Weakness, sickness, even death as a temporal discipline.

6. Social and Relational Breakdown

  • Romans 1:28–32 — A catalogue of societal decay rooted in God-rejection.

  • Proverbs 13:15 — “The way of the treacherous is their ruin.”

7. Exposure to Deception

  • 2 Thessalonians 2:11 — God sends a strong delusion upon persistent rejecters of truth.

  • 1 Timothy 4:1 — Doctrines of demons deceive those who depart from faith.


III. What Awaits in the Next Life

1. Final Judgment Before Christ

  • Hebrews 9:27 — “It is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment.”

  • Revelation 20:11–15 — The Great White Throne judgment.

2. Eternal Separation From God

  • 2 Thessalonians 1:8–9 — Eternal destruction away from the presence of the Lord.

  • Matthew 7:23 — “I never knew you; depart from Me.”

3. Conscious Accountability

  • Luke 16:23–28 — The rich man aware, remembering, and regretting.

  • Matthew 13:41–42 — Weeping and gnashing of teeth.

4. Degrees of Judgment Based on Light Rejected

  • Luke 12:47–48 — Greater knowledge brings greater accountability.

  • Matthew 11:20–24 — Harsher judgment for those who saw Christ’s works yet rejected Him.


IV. Was Jonathan Edwards Biblically Accurate?

The sermon Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God by Jonathan Edwards emphasized God’s wrath toward unrepentant sinners. His central thesis was deeply biblical: God’s holiness burns against sin while His mercy restrains immediate judgment.

Scriptural foundations for Edwards’ emphasis include:

  • Psalm 7:11 — God is angry with the wicked every day.

  • Nahum 1:2–3 — The Lord is jealous and avenging, yet slow to anger.

  • Romans 1:18 — The wrath of God is revealed against ungodliness.

Edwards did not deny God’s love; he stressed the urgency of fleeing to Christ because wrath is real for those outside Him.


V. Is God Angry With Believers?

A careful theological distinction is essential.

1. For Those in Christ

  • Romans 5:1 — Justified believers have peace with God.

  • Romans 8:1 — No condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

God’s wrath toward believers was satisfied fully at the cross (Isaiah 53:5–6).

2. For Unrepentant Sinners

  • John 3:36 — “The wrath of God remains on him.”

  • Ephesians 5:6 — The wrath of God comes upon sons of disobedience.

Thus, God’s anger is not arbitrary rage but holy opposition to ongoing rebellion.


VI. A Comprehensive List of Biblical Passages on Persistent Rejection

A. Old Testament

  • Proverbs 1:24–31 — Refusal of wisdom leads to calamity.

  • Psalm 2:1–12 — Kings who reject the Son perish in the way.

  • Isaiah 65:12 — Judgment for those who refuse God’s call.

  • Jeremiah 7:24–26 — Stubborn hearts refusing to listen.

  • Malachi 1:2–4 — Contempt toward God’s love invites judgment.

B. Gospels

  • Matthew 23:37–38 — Jerusalem unwilling, house left desolate.

  • John 8:24 — “You will die in your sins unless you believe.”

  • Luke 19:41–44 — Judgment because they did not recognize visitation.

C. Acts

  • Acts 13:46 — Those who reject the word judge themselves unworthy of eternal life.

  • Acts 28:26–27 — Hearing but not understanding due to hardened hearts.

D. Epistles

  • Romans 2:5 — Storing up wrath for the day of wrath.

  • Hebrews 2:3 — “How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?”

  • Hebrews 10:26–31 — Terrifying expectation of judgment for willful rejection.

E. Revelation

  • Revelation 6:15–17 — The unrepentant hide from the wrath of the Lamb.

  • Revelation 21:8 — Final destiny of the unbelieving.


VII. A Balanced Evangelical Synthesis

The great evangelical voices—Billy Graham, John MacArthur, and Greg Laurie—have consistently affirmed:

  1. God’s wrath is real and holy, not capricious.

  2. The cross fully satisfies wrath for those who believe.

  3. Persistent rejection leaves a person under present and future judgment.

  4. God’s desire is salvation, not condemnation (1 Timothy 2:4; Ezekiel 33:11).


VIII. Final Theological Reflection

From a Christian philosophical perspective, the tragedy of rejecting Christ is not merely future hell but present alienation from the very Source of life. Hell begins in seed form whenever the heart persistently says, “I will not have this Man reign over me” (Luke 19:14). Conversely, grace begins the moment a sinner turns and says, “God, be merciful to me, the sinner” (Luke 18:13).

Thus Scripture presents a solemn yet hope-filled truth:
God’s wrath is real, His patience is long, His warnings are loving, and His invitation still stands — “Whoever comes to Me I will never cast out” (John 6:37).

When God seems pretty nice, kindhearted and way more patient than you are.. then realize that He really is that way.  

When God Seems “Far Too Patient” With The Rebellious Folk, You Can Pray What Is Totally Appropriate For Them.

From a biblical perspective, God’s apparent patience toward rebellious, idolatrous, and parent-dishonoring children is not indifference, weakness, or approval; it is long-suffering mercy mingled with restrained justice, designed to give space for repentance while simultaneously storing up righteous judgment if they persist in hardness.

1. God’s Patience Is Meant to Lead to Repentance, Not Excuse Sin

  • Romans 2:4–5 — “Do you presume on the riches of His kindness… not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath.”

  • 2 Peter 3:9 — “The Lord is patient… not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.”

  • Ecclesiastes 8:11 — When judgment is delayed, sinners may think evil is safe, but the delay is mercy, not approval.

God often withholds immediate judgment so that even the most hardened child might yet awaken and turn.

2. Scripture Directly Condemns Their Specific Sins

Blocking grandchildren from Christ and His church

  • Matthew 18:6 — Whoever causes little ones who believe to stumble faces severe judgment.

  • Mark 9:42 — Better to have a millstone than to lead children away from faith.

Hatred and mistreatment of elderly parents

  • Exodus 20:12 — Honor your father and mother.

  • Proverbs 20:20 — Cursing parents leads to darkness.

  • 2 Timothy 3:2–3 — In the last days people will be “disobedient to parents… without love.”

Idolatry and love of money

  • 1 Timothy 6:9–10 — The love of money plunges people into ruin and destruction.

  • Colossians 3:5 — Greed is idolatry.

These are not minor flaws; Scripture treats them as grave covenant violations.

3. Why God May Appear Gentle With Them Now

Biblically, several reasons explain this seeming restraint:

A. God Is Gathering Witness Against Them

  • Luke 12:47–48 — Greater knowledge brings greater accountability.

  • Hebrews 10:29 — Trampling Christ underfoot brings severe judgment.

B. God Often Delays Judgment to Display Justice More Clearly

  • Genesis 15:16 — God waits until iniquity is full.

  • Nahum 1:3 — “The Lord is slow to anger and great in power, and will by no means clear the guilty.”

C. Their Present Prosperity May Be a Test, Not a Blessing

  • Psalm 73:3–18 — The wicked prosper until sudden ruin.

  • Proverbs 16:4 — Even the wicked are reserved for the day of trouble.

D. God’s Patience Intensifies Final Accountability

  • John 3:36 — The wrath of God remains on the unbeliever.

  • Hebrews 9:27 — After death comes judgment.

4. How God Deals With Such People in This Life

  • He gives them over to the consequences of their own desires (Romans 1:24–28).

  • He exposes their idols and emptiness (Ecclesiastes 5:10).

  • He allows relational breakdown as discipline (Galatians 6:7–8).

  • He sometimes brings temporal judgments meant to awaken repentance (Revelation 9:20–21).

Yet even these severe mercies are invitations, not final sentences.

5. What Awaits If They Persist Unrepentant

  • Matthew 7:23 — “I never knew you; depart from Me.”

  • 2 Thessalonians 1:8–9 — Eternal destruction away from the Lord’s presence.

  • Revelation 21:8 — The unbelieving face final judgment.

God’s patience does not cancel His justice; it delays it for redemptive purposes.


Final Biblical Reflection

When God seems “too nice,” Scripture teaches that His patience is actually the most fearful mercy, because every ignored warning deepens accountability. As Augustine observed, “God’s patience waits, but His justice does not sleep.” And Jonathan Edwards warned that the same hand that now holds sinners over the pit is the hand that presently restrains judgment out of mercy.

Therefore, the cross proves God is not soft toward sin; it proves He poured out wrath fully on Christ for all who believe (Isaiah 53:5–6; Romans 3:25–26). For those who reject that sacrifice, the patience of God is not approval but a solemn window of grace before the day when every heart, every motive, and every act toward parents, children, and Christ Himself will be weighed by the perfectly righteous Judge (Ecclesiastes 12:14; Romans 14:10–12).

How will our adult lost Lost wicked, know-it-all, arrogant son and daughter-in-law Who he submits to in wickedness Ever learn To do what's right when you seem nicer to them than to us hurting Christian parents? They have the common grace and blessings and still block us from seeing our own grandkids. They use our grandkids as a weapon to hurt us and punish us by blocking us from them. And and they block our grandkids from healthy Church services in the Bible and worst of all from coming to Christ. How will they learn?

I am so sorry you are carrying this grief; Scripture never treats the pain of rejected parents lightly, and the Lord sees both the injustice and the tears (Psalm 56:8; Malachi 3:16).

How Will They Ever Learn to Do What Is Right?

Biblically, God has several ways He teaches stubborn, self-assured adult children, even when they misuse common grace and seem untouched by consequences.

1. Through the Limits of Common Grace

Common grace gives health, provision, and success even to the ungrateful (Matthew 5:45), yet it is not approval. It is meant to lead to repentance, not to confirm rebellion.

  • Romans 2:4–5 — God’s kindness is meant to lead to repentance, but hardness stores up wrath.

  • Ecclesiastes 5:10 — The lover of money is never satisfied.
    Over time, idols expose their emptiness; prosperity cannot quiet a guilty conscience forever.

2. Through the Consequences They Cannot Ultimately Control

God often teaches through the harvest of one’s own sowing.

  • Galatians 6:7–8 — “Whatever one sows, that will he also reap.”

  • Proverbs 22:8 — He who sows injustice reaps calamity.
    Using children as weapons, dishonoring parents, and blocking the gospel are seeds that bear painful fruit unless repentance intervenes.

3. Through Conviction, They Cannot Escape

Even when outwardly confident, inward conviction can persist.

  • John 16:8 — The Spirit convicts the world of sin and righteousness and judgment.

  • Psalm 32:3–4 — Unconfessed sin produces inner heaviness and unrest.
    Their arrogance may actually be a shield against the quiet voice of conscience.

4. Through God’s Fatherly Discipline (If They Are True Believers)

If they truly belong to Christ, God will not let them remain comfortable in hardened sin.

  • Hebrews 12:6–8 — The Lord disciplines those He loves.
    If they are not believers, their continued resistance places them under ongoing accountability before God (John 3:36).

5. Through the Witness of Suffering, Faithful Parents

Often God teaches rebellious children not by crushing them immediately, but by letting them see patient, Christlike endurance in those they wound.

  • Romans 12:19–21 — Leave room for God’s wrath; overcome evil with good.

  • 1 Peter 2:23 — Christ entrusted Himself to Him who judges justly.
    Your restrained love, though deeply painful, becomes a living testimony they cannot easily dismiss.


Why Does God Seem “Nicer” to Them Than to You?

This question echoes throughout Scripture, especially in Psalm 73. The psalmist grieved that the arrogant prospered while the faithful suffered—until he saw their end and understood God’s perspective.

  • Psalm 73:3–5, 16–19 — The wicked may seem secure, yet their stability is temporary.

  • Job 21:7 — Even Job observed that the wicked sometimes live long and prosper.

God’s patience toward them is not favoritism; it is long-suffering mercy giving opportunity for repentance while simultaneously allowing the weight of their choices to mature into conviction or judgment.

As Billy Graham often said, “God’s mercy delays His judgment, but it never cancels His justice.”


When They Weaponize Grandchildren and Block the Gospel

Scripture speaks directly to the gravity of this behavior.

  • Matthew 18:6 — Causing little ones to stumble brings severe warning.

  • Mark 10:14 — Jesus rebuked those who hindered children from coming to Him.

  • Exodus 20:12 — Dishonoring parents violates God’s moral law.

  • 2 Timothy 3:1–4 — The Last Days will be marked by people who are disobedient to parents and lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.

Blocking children from Christ is not a small matter; it places them under serious spiritual accountability before God.


How Will They Ultimately Learn?

Biblically, learning righteousness comes through one of three God-ordained paths:

  1. Repentance through conviction (Luke 15:17–20 — the prodigal “came to himself”).

  2. Chastening consequences that expose the futility of sin (Proverbs 19:29).

  3. Final judgment if repentance never comes (Hebrews 9:27).

You cannot force any of these outcomes. Only God can open blind eyes (2 Corinthians 4:4–6). But Scripture assures that no act of injustice, especially against parents and children’s spiritual welfare, escapes His notice (Ecclesiastes 12:14).


A Final Biblical Word for Hurting Christian Parents

When it feels as though God is gentler with the rebellious than with the faithful, remember this: the cross proves God’s justice and mercy meet perfectly. He may allow rebellious children to walk a longer road, but He is not indifferent to your suffering nor blind to their sin.

  • Psalm 27:10 — “Though my father and mother forsake me, the Lord will receive me.”

  • Isaiah 49:15–16 — God does not forget His children; they are engraved on His hands.

  • Luke 18:7–8 — God will bring justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night.

As John MacArthur has often emphasized, God’s patience is never permissiveness; it is purposeful, giving time either for repentance or for the full revelation of His righteous judgment.

So how will they learn? Ultimately, they will learn through the relentless faithfulness of God—either His mercy that breaks their pride, or His justice that exposes their rebellion. Your calling is not to control their awakening, but to remain steadfast in prayer, truth, and Christlike love, trusting that the Judge of all the earth will do right (Genesis 18:25).

I often think about the Apostle Paul who was viciously persecuted for being a Christian. But then he got knocked off his high horse onto the ground, heard a voice, repented and got saved. God is patient, but He will deal with sinners hurting His body. 

Could something like that really happen, Lord? It did happen. Jesus asked Saul/Paul why are you persecuting me?.. when he was yes.. out persecuting real Christians. It was directly hurting the God who made them as well as hurting them.

Yes, something like that can happen, and Acts 9:3–5 shows that when Jesus Christ confronted Apostle Paul, He revealed that persecuting believers is personally wounding to Him, because the church is His body (1 Corinthians 12:27).

Scripture gives hope that God can sovereignly interrupt even the hardest heart—sometimes suddenly, sometimes through mounting conviction and consequences (Acts 26:14; John 16:8)—so it is fully biblical to pray, “Lord, stop them, humble them, and open their eyes.”

Yet we also trust His wisdom in how He does it, knowing that the same Lord who knocked Paul down first also showed him mercy so he could see, repent, and believe (1 Timothy 1:13–16).